Interview
with Spencer Chainey: results of the
Intelligence-Oriented Policing Project
Entrevista com Spencer Chainey: resultados do Projeto de Policiamento Orientado à
Inteligência
Entrevista
con Spencer Chainey: resultados del Proyecto de
Vigilancia Orientada a la Inteligencia
Submitted on: 09.22.2022
Accepted on: 12.23.2022
Wellington Clay Porcino Silva
Polícia Federal, Brasília/DF, Brasil
http://lattes.cnpq.br/5417710802577655
ABSTRACT
Interview given by Professor
Spencer Chainey, Professor of Security and Criminal
Science at University College London, to Federal Police Chief Wellington Clay
Porcino Silva, through the Teams platform, on September 16, 2022, detailing the
relationship between Prof. Doctor Spencer Chainey and
the Revista Brasileira de Ciências Policiais, as well as
the researcher's research and relationship with the Federal Police and the
results of the Intelligence-Oriented Policing Project, carried out with support
from the IADB and the Brazilian Federal Police.
Keywords: violence within
Latin America; corruption; homicide; hot spots policing program;
Intelligence-led policing project.
RESUMO
Entrevista
concedida pelo professor Doutor Spencer Chainey,
catedrático de Segurança e Ciência Criminal do University
College London, ao Delegado de Polícia Federal
Wellington Clay Porcino Silva, por meio da plataforma Teams,
no dia 16 de setembro de 2022, detalhando a relação existente entre o Prof. Dr.
Spencer Chainey e a Revista Brasileira de Ciências
Policiais, bem como as pesquisas e a relação daquele pesquisador com a Polícia
Federal e os resultados do Projeto de Policiamento Orientado pela Inteligência,
realizado com apoio do BID e da Polícia Federal brasileira.
Palavras-chave: violência na América Latina; corrupção; homicídio;
programa de policiamento de pontos quentes; projeto de policiamento guiado por
Inteligência.
RESUMEN
Entrevista concedida por el
Profesor Spencer Chainey, Profesor de Seguridad y
Ciencias Criminales en University College
London, al Jefe de la Policía Federal Wellington Clay Porcino Silva, a través
de la plataforma Teams, el 16 de septiembre de 2022,
detallando la relación entre el Prof. Doctor Spencer Chainey
y la Revista Brasileira de Ciências Policiais, así como la investigación y la relación de la
investigadora con la Policía Federal y los resultados del Proyecto Policía
Orientada a la Inteligencia, realizado con el apoyo del BID y la Policía
Federal brasileña.
Palabras
clave: violencia dentro de América Latina; corrupción; homicidio; programa de
vigilancia de puntos calientes; proyecto de vigilancia dirigida por inteligencia.
1.
INTRODUCTION
Professor and
editorial advisor of the Revista Brasileira
de Ciências Policias, PhD
Spencer Chainey from the University College London
(UCL) is interviewed by Professor and Delegate of the Federal Police, Doctor
Wellington Clay Porcino Silva, who already have an academic partnership in
research projects in common, as a result of an invitation made by management of
the journal.
The invitation to
this brief dialogue is contextualized in the interest of the Escola Superior de
Polícia in presenting to the journal's readers, renowned national and
international researchers, who serve as a paradigm for the necessary
development of police science, public security and the criminal justice system
in the context of worldwide.
The interview was
carried out in a semi-structured way, using the MS Teams tool on September 16,
2022, and had as its main topics the beginning of the interviewee's
relationship with the RBCP, his view on the journal and on research in the
field of security public, including within Latin America, impressions on crime
patterns, behavior of criminal groups, behavior of criminals in Brazil, in
addition to some programs and projects developed over the years.
As per information
available on his University College London page <
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/jill-dando-institute/people/spencer-chainey>, Dr.
Spencer Chainey is:
an Associate
Professor at UCL’s Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science (JDI), is
Director of the JDI Latin America and Caribbean Unit, and JDI Director of
Continuing Professional Development. Spencer’s work places him at the interface
between academic research and the practical world of policing, public safety,
citizen security and criminal investigation. His activities involve: research
and analysis collaborations to counter organised
crime; the application of research evidence to police/public safety practice;
support in the creation and implementation of strategies and activities that
improve crime reduction, criminal investigation and citizen security, and;
furthering the education and professional development of current and future
generations of practitioners and researchers. All these activities draw from
his 20 plus years of international experience. In addition to activities in the
UK, Spencer has worked closely with police agencies (from local to federal
level), ministries and secretariats of security in Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina,
Mexico, Colombia, Chile, Belize, Jamaica, New Zealand, Australia, Denmark,
Sweden, Norway, Estonia, Germany, Austria, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands,
China, the USA, Canada, South Africa, and Abu Dhabi. Prior to joining UCL in
2003, Spencer worked in local authorities and the Metropolitan Police in
London, and as head consultant for an international software and services
company specializing in community safety, regeneration and infrastructure
management.
His expertise has
been called upon to support the Government of Jamaica in developing a new
national Citizen Security Plan, to author the UK Home Office’s national
guidance on Information Sharing for Community Safety, to author a practice
guide on hot spot policing for police officers in Latin America and the
Caribbean, act as a consultant to the Inter-American Development Bank to advise
the Argentinian government and several state governments in Brazil on the
approval and use of loans totalling over US$100
million for improving police effectiveness and violence reduction, work with
the Federal Police of Brazil to combat illegal gold mining and deforestation in
the Amazon, improve the use of problem-oriented policing in the UK and Uruguay,
conduct research that has helped to underpin a more intelligence-led approach
to UK police forces’ use of stop and search, and author the UK Association of
Chief Police Officer and College of Policing ’Geographical Analysis Workbook’.
Spencer has
particular expertise in hot spot policing, community and problem-oriented
policing (POP), intelligence-led policing (ILP), and evidence-based policing
with these skills regularly called upon by police agencies who seek to improve
their use of these approaches. Spencer also leads the training and mentoring of
detectives and intelligence analysts on a serial crime investigation course,
partnered with the UK National Crime Agency and supported by EuroPol.
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Wellington Clay Porcino Silva:
Well, they asked me to talk to you about your relationship with our journal, Revista Brasileira de Ciências Policiais, and how it
began. And a little bit about yourself, if you have any plans concerning the
journal.
I also would like to hear from
you about our ILP project. What did you think about the program when you were
here with us? How about the results? Also, if you plan something for the future
with the teams that worked with you.
Spencer Chainey: Ok. So, in
terms of my relationship with the journal, I remember it began, I think, from a
series of visits that I made to Brasilia in about 2008-2009 when I was helping
to organize an international symposium called “Environmental Criminology and Crime Analysis”. Now, in terms of
environmental criminology, it’s not environmental criminology in terms of
crimes that happen in the environment, it’s the criminology field of
environmental criminology.
W. C. P. S.: In Portuguese we
call it “Criminologia do ambiente”.
S. C.: I see, yes. So I was helping to organize a symposium in Brasilia on
environmental criminology and crime analysis, looking to bring in a lot of
scholars from different parts of the world, different academics. People who
have written some of the key theories around aspects of environmental
criminology. So Ron Clark, who has written the routine
activities theory; Marcus Felson, who has written the rational choice; Paul and
Patricia Brantingham, who are the key people around
crime pattern theory. And there were various other academics who have studied
lots of things about crime. And we managed to put it off.
That symposium happened in
Brasília and during that time on the organizing committee for that symposium
there were a couple of people from the Federal Police of Brazil on the
organizing committee, and there were some other academics as well, one from the
University of Brasilia; Claudio Beato, from UFMG, was
on the committee as well to help organize it; and I was the British guy. I was
the only British guy on the organizing committee. But I was helping to kind of
pull this whole thing together from London with the occasional trips to
Brasilia. And it was really through the contact that my involvement with the
journal began.
And, you know, I get involved
in several other academic journals. I would say that I don't necessarily have a
huge role or a key role when it comes to the journal. But one of the things
that I'm seeing, certainly in the last 2-3 years now, is more and more
opportunities for certain research that is coming out of Brazil and other parts
of particularly South America to be featured in the journal and featured in a
way that brings more attraction and appeal to the journal. And what I mean by
that is that, for me, the journal is often very much focused towards really
what's happening in Brazil and very much in the context of crime in Brazil,
which then many people from
other parts of the world can't really see the relevance of some of the things
that are covered in that journal compared to other wider international
experiences. But where I think that things have been changing over the last
four or five years is that there are certain new developments in crime
analysis. There are certain new developments in policing of a whole range of different
types that are happening in Brazil and further afield in South America,
that are raising attention to other researchers, other police agencies in
different parts of the world, learning about how things are being done in
Brazil and other parts of South America, which they can actually learn from and
how we’re doing things like testing theoretical principles that have been
applicable for many, many years in Western industrialized contexts, but don't
seem to necessarily always apply in a Brazilian context, or how we’re adapting
theoretical principles, bearing in mind things that we have observed in terms
of patterns of crime, behaviors of criminal groups, behaviors of offenders in
Brazil.
So, for me, it’s good timing
for us to chat about the journal because I see that there may even be potential
for the journal’s profile to increase relevance on an international stage,
because of several of the exciting new areas of research, empirical research
that is being done in Brazil. And this is not just by researchers in what we
call in English “the ivory towers of academia”. It’s people who are working in
the field, who are practitioners. People who are policymakers.
So I see there’s
potentially some good opportunities for the profile of the journal to be raised
over the course of the next few years.
W. C. P. S.: Ok. And can you remember any specific research that you think is
more suitable to this more international approach of our journal?
S. C.: Let me give you one
example: violence in Latin America. Brazil being one of those countries, in
particular Latin America, with the unfortunate ranking of being basically the
most violent place in the world’s most violent region. There’s been a lot of
research that has tried to understand why. But most of that research is very
much replicated. The source of research that’s been done in other parts of the
world and there are other things being done now, which is looking into a what
is it about life in Latin America, in South America, in Brazil that explains
the reasons for the high levels of violence. And it’s not as though, you know,
you as Brazilians, you as South Americans, you as Latins just have this natural
instinct within you to be more violent. It’s about “What are the circumstances
that lead to that high level of violence?”. There have been several studies
that have tried to replicate the reasons for variations in violence around the
world, such as inequality, poverty, unemployment, educational attainment, all
those sorts of things. And in the last 5-6 years, as more and more studies have
begun to be done by researchers both in Brazil and on the international stage,
looking at the issues of violence within Latin America, they began to see some
inconsistencies in terms of those traditional socioeconomic reasons for
explaining levels of violence. And I’m saying this because I think that if
there’s one thing that chronological research can contribute in the next decade
to life in Brazil, life in Latin America, it’s to contribute to better
understanding patterns of violence, understanding violence, so that we can then
develop more effective programs to deal with issues of violence.
And the sort of research
that’s been done recently has begun to expose that these kinds of socioeconomic
factors do have some form of role to play. There are often some inconsistencies
in the extent to which they have a role to play. In the last 20 years, although
there are still problems in Brazil with inequality, poverty, education, etc.,
inequality is reduced, education levels have improved. Brazilians are
healthier, poverty levels have reduced. Like I said, there are still problems
there, but all of these things have improved over the course of the last 20
years. The socioeconomic conditions have improved, but high levels of homicide,
high levels of violence have persisted.
And some of the new things
that are beginning to be exposed are that there is a relationship between what
we do as policymakers, as practitioners, is what we do in terms of the
effectiveness of interventions and programs is what our governments do in terms
of the effectiveness of those government institutions that has a major role to
play in influencing levels of violence and meaning that you know, governments,
institutions fundamentally do matter when it comes to addressing violence.
So rather than just blaming on
“oh, it has to do with inequality”, “it has to do with poverty”. There’s a key
element that’s all to do with: it’s actually very much down to the
effectiveness of government agencies. And the poorer the effectiveness of a
government agency, the higher the homicide levels we tend to see in Latin
America. And that is a pattern that began to be picked up about two or three
years ago and is now being picked up to look at the relationships between the
effectiveness of government agencies, government institutions and homicide
patterns and violence patterns across the whole of the world.
And the other thing that has
to be spoken about as well is the undermining influence that corruption has.
It's very, very difficult for government agencies to be effective. And what I
mean by government agencies, you know, we think of it in relation to crime, the
justice system, police agencies, etc., Ministries of Security and Public
Safety. If we have this constant presence of corruption that fundamentally
undermines the effectiveness of those agencies. So
when we think about violence in Brazil and many other parts of Latin America,
we really have to begin a very serious conversation about recognizing that we
can’t just blame it on socioeconomic things. It has fundamentally to do with
how we as police agencies, government agencies, operators, the local level and
the national level, because what we do as individuals in the roles that we do
is what we do in the agencies that we work for. It is what governments do in
terms of the policies and strategies they set that can have a fundamental
influence with the levels of violence we then observe. And if we don’t pay
attention to things like corruption, then that is only going to continue to undermine
our efforts to deal with violence.
Now I raise this as an important factor in terms of research and what I think
that research in Brazil and Latin America could begin to contribute to the
wider world, because this is something which is really potentially being
exposed as this is the thing that is unique about life in Latin America, that
is providing a reason for explaining why there are high homicide levels.
But what’s beginning to be
recognized as well is that even in those countries where low levels of homicide
are present, it has very much to do with the effectiveness of those government
agencies that continue to play a role in sustaining those low levels of
violence.
W. C. P. S.: You know, I spent
almost all my time as an operational officer working with internal affairs and
counterintelligence, which here in the Federal Police really deals with
corruption in the Federal Police. So it’s something
that I spent almost half of my life as a police officer doing. It’s the job
that I’m specialized in but I’ve never researched something like that. It’s
something very interesting. Maybe sometime I can think of a research to try to
measure the impact of this work on Federal Police. I’ve worked a lot on that
and I think that’s a research I would really like to do. I’ve never linked this
operational background to my life as a researcher.
S. C.: Yes. And if you think about it in terms of what can we do in Brazil, in
Latin America, to really have an impact on violence. If you think of the last
20-30 years, there have been huge investments in those socioeconomic factors,
thinking that modernization, social development is the cure for violence and
it’s not because it has a role to play, but high levels of homicide have
persisted. That is always my argument. You’ve seen these improvements in
socioeconomic conditions in countries like Brazil over the last 20-30 years. I
first went to Brazil in 2000 and I’ve seen in that 20, nearly 25 years,
improvements within the country in terms of socioeconomic conditions. And yet it
hasn’t really acted as the magic cure for violence that often people
theoretically think that it will do. Violence still persists very much at high
levels. There have been some countries in Latin America where we’ve seen
homicide levels or violence levels reduced. But often what then has happened is
after 2-3 years, those violence levels have gone up again. I mean, Colombia was
a good example of that in a moment. Colombia achieved some good major
reductions in violence, but then things have begun to go up again. Mexico: high
levels of violence have persisted for decades now in Mexico, yet the country
has significantly improved in many ways.
I think it is important to
recognize that it is what we do as practitioners, as policymakers, as
researchers working in the field of crime, criminal investigation, criminal
intelligence, crime analysis, policing, etc. That is very much the role we can
play in making improvements that lead to reductions in violence because it’s
what we do that highly matters. And, yes, investments in things like education
programs and reducing inequality are all important. But it’s the investments in
the police agencies to be better, to have greater capacity and capability. It’s
more capability, rather than anything, for the police to be smarter, for the
justice system to be smarter, for the Ministries of Security, both at the
national level and at the municipality level being smarter in doing things.
Because that is what’s likely to have the major difference on reducing
violence. And just one final point on this: one thing that would be really
interesting for me to see, if research can be done on this, is to measure
whether there is a cost benefit effect. I mean, investing in police and public
security agencies to reduce violence rather than thinking that investments in
socioeconomic conditions is going to act in reducing violence. I find that
police agencies and other agencies that are trying to deal with crime are not
necessarily given the same level of investment that we see in socioeconomic
things. Yet, it could be that the answer to the issues of violence in countries
like Brazil is to do with investments in police and public security agencies,
continued investments to strengthen them, to professionalize them. And what I
mean by professionalizing them is to ensure that those people working in those
police agencies are well educated. We raise the bar of the entry level, for
people to come into police agencies. We support police officers with their
continual education as they are in the job and we will see more people who are
in the middle rank of police actually having masters
degrees, a MBA or a master’s degree in another discipline. Correct me if I’m
wrong, but if you want to be a senior officer in Brazil, you have to have a
master’s degree. But you have a master’s degree in law. And by having a
master’s degree in law that again undermines the problem-solving more
scientific brain that a police officer needs to have an impact on crime. If you
only have a master degree in law, police are only ever gonna
be enforcers of the law or lawyers. They’re not gonna
be problem solvers. They’re not gonna be thinking
about things in terms of solving problems. They’re gonna
be thinking of things very much as a lawyer in terms of “how can we
prosecute?”, or “how can we stiffen sentences?” to try to deal with these
particular problems.
W. C. P. S.: It’s a problem of
our system, because here in Brazil the police have some powers that in other
countries are powers of the prosecution. So for us
it’s important to have a low degree. But I agree with you that we can’t only
have law degrees. That’s why I have taken a Master and a Doctorate degree not
in law. I think that to be better at what we do we have to consider other
fields of science, not just law.
Now changing the subject, I’d
like to know a little bit about what you think of our ILP project. What were
the results of that two-week work and if you are satisfied with them.
S. C.: This ILP
(Intelligence-Led Policing) project involved three groups working on three
different problems, which were identified as being key, pertinent issues
associated with what the Federal Police’s responsibilities were. One was to do
with illegal land grabbing, another one to do with illegal logging, particularly
selective logging, and the other one to do with illegal gold mining. And a
couple of things that particularly impressed me were, first of all, how the
federal officers who attended that course came into it with an open mind,
thinking “Ok, I think there’s some opportunity here for us to learn some
things”. And I think that within the first day or two of that course. It was organized into two different blocks, each
block about four days in length. Even after the first day or two, people were
beginning to think slightly differently about how you can look at the sort of
problems that I would refer to and that they were focusing on their particular
projects. And we chose those three particular projects, but the content of the
learning was applicable to any type of crime issue, any type of environmental
crime, or form of violence, or types of criminal groups, or whatever. So I was really impressed with how the people who attended
that course came onto it open-minded, seeking to learn new things, and actually
began to learn things very quickly and could immediately apply them to things
that they required to address.
And I think all three of those
projects had successes, some couple of them more notable successes because of
recent operations. And I
know that with the land grabbing one, as a result of the ILP project, there was
a major new operation that was launched which resulted in the creation of new
intelligence, which fed into new operations to determine who to target and who
to serve warrants against to, to start to disrupt some of this illegal land
grabbing. I also know that with the illegal gold mining group. I was
told that it was probably one of the biggest operations the federal police had
run in recent years, which came very much from the ILP project, that began on
this course, where people who were focusing on the illegal gold mining really
began to grasp and reveal things that they had never never
revealed before in relation to certain problems with illegal gold mining. That
was one thing that particularly impressed me, but did not surprise me. I came
into it anticipating that the groups and the individuals who were part of this
whole Intelligence-Led Policing course were going to learn new things, even
though they may be people who were very experienced working for the Federal
Police or at police agencies for many, many years. They were going to learn
something, new techniques, new things about how to look at data. They were
going to start to think differently about how you go about examining problems,
and it was actually, in some ways, no surprise to me, that they began to expose
and identify things that they had never even thought of before, or had never
found before, because that’s the whole point. Intelligence-Led Policing is
about getting you to start to think about things differently, becoming
different in terms of how you organize yourself to look at a particular crime
issue. And even when you think there’s no intelligence out there, there’s no
data out there on this particular topic. Revealing to them: “yes, there is!”
It’s just that you weren’t looking in the right places. There are other places
where we can look. To use an analogy, stones or rocks that we can find and lift
up and see what’s underneath them. And that’s what the whole program did, really,
that it just got them to. First of all, reveal things about the problem that
they’ve never identified before, purely through a change of approach.
No sophisticated analytical
techniques were necessarily used. We were not using artificial intelligence or
anything like that. It was purely about getting them to think differently about
how you look at a problem, but then using techniques that they hadn’t heard of
before, one being like “crime script analysis”, for example. It doesn’t require
any software, it doesn’t require either the purchase of some expensive software
from a private company. It is purely about getting people to think differently
about how you look upon a problem.
To the one part of it was very much to do with helping them to better understand
certain issues in a smarter, intelligent way. And, as a result of that,
beginning to think differently about how you counter those things. And I think
in particular, what people recognize is that, when we use an ILP approach it's
not just about using that intelligence that criminal intelligence to identify
the people to arrest or or more people to arrest and
seek to prosecute. It is also about “how can we use this information then to
target disruption activities?”, “how can we do things to make life more
difficult for these criminal groups or these individuals involved in crime?”,
“how can we do things to deter activity?”.
When we recognize that actually catching these people and prosecuting them can
be incredibly tough and bureaucratic and we may not always end up with success.
So it was getting them to recognize that if you
develop a much clearer picture and richer understanding about the problem
you’re looking at, there are other opportunities available to us as Federal
Police officers, local police officers. There are other ways that we can
intervene and deal with these problems, which are not solely relying upon
arresting people and prosecuting them. It’s also thinking about alternatives to
that, such as other mentioned: disruption, deterrent, and other forms of
prevention.
W. C. P. S.: Ok. And do you
have any plans to come back to Brazil in the future? Do you have any research
related to Brazil?
S. C.: I think there are two
particular things that are worth mentioning. One thing I’m very keen to do is
to see if we can repeat the ILP program with the Federal Police again. But this
time on different types of crime issues, in particular violence. I think
there's a potential for repeating the ILP program with a different group of
intelligence analysts, focusing on violence. I don’t know of any plans at the
moment to do, but I think that could be a good thing to do over the course of
the next year.
One thing that I am involved
in which leads to me coming back to Brazil at some point within the next 3-6 months
is that I’m part of a team that is coordinating a series of hot spots policing
initiatives across about five different cities in Brazil. We are in the process
at the moment, finalizing the analysis of hot spots. This has mainly to do with
hot spots of robbery against pedestrians on the streets and we’re finalizing
the analysis that relates to identifying where the hot spots are, to then lead
to the design of these new programs, with several new municipalities or state
agencies in an attempt to use the hot spots policing. And the cities include Florianópolis, Curitiba, Fortaleza, Belo Horizonte. And by
November, I anticipate, some of those programs will be commencing. There are
four or five of us working on it. I’m the only non-Brazilian. All the rest are
people based in Brazil who are leading on this. People like Joana Monteiro, José
Macedo, from the Federal University of Ceará. I’m
leading the one in Florianópolis and working with the
people at the municipality level in Florianópolis to
introduce this hot spots policing program. So I anticipate that if not before the end of this year,
certainly next year I’ll be back in Brazil helping to coordinate this whole new
hot spots policing program. And for me what’s exciting about it are two things:
one is that it’s the first real proper occasion when hot spots policing has
been introduced in Brazil. Some people may say “oh, we do that sort of thing
targeting petrol”, but they’re not really doing proper hot spots policing. So
that's one thing that’s exciting about it.
The second thing is that these
programs are being set up as what we call Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs).
RCTs are the sorts of experiments that are at the highest scale of
evidence-based policing in terms of evaluating their impact. So
this is not just about introducing programs like PADO (Programa
de Alta Dedicación Operativa)
in Montevideo, which was very successful when introduced, but wasn’t a RCT. The
experiments in these five cities in Brazil will be RCTs, introducing hot spots
policing, experimenting and testing a whole number of different things that
relate to hot spots policing. So, I anticipate, this time next year, thinking
again of a point I started with: countries, researchers, police agencies
outside of Brazil, beginning to look to Brazil to see what’s going on.
The results of these
randomized controlled trials in Brazil, I can anticipate, will start to feature
on the world stage this time next year when the results start to come out of
this, to learn what did work, but also what did not work. What were the ways in
how it worked most effectively? What lessons can we learn from these programs
in Brazil that we can share with the rest of the world, police agencies across
the world, about how we deal with these problems of violence on our streets.
So, just to give you an
example, little things like “how many police officers do you actually need to
patrol the streets in a city which has high levels of violence that compared to
the streets in cities like that in the United Kingdom or other parts of Europe
or the United States, where levels of violence are a little bit lower?” This is
what we call the kind of dosage. What level of dosage is required in terms of
police patrols in these high-violent situations? How long do the police need to
be there? How important is it for the police to actually speak to people,
members of the public while they’re on patrol, rather than just standing on
street corners, looking mean and tough? We hypothesize that speaking to people
when you’re on patrol is a vital component of hot spots policing. But that
hasn't really been tested. And this is where these experiments in Brazil can
potentially test these sorts of things and provide, share the results on the
world stage.
Brazil, as I mentioned at the
beginning of our chat today, will begin to feature more and more on the
international stage in terms of doing research, doing effective policing that
other police agencies around the world begin to recognize more and more. And,
think, we can learn some stuff here.
Going back to the journal then
I think this is where there’s a great opportunity for the journal and the
profile of the journal to be raised by being a center place for the results of
these studies, this sort of new work, to be published.
W. C. P. S.: I think that will be a great piece of research. Something that is
very rare in our field of public security: Randomized Controlled Trials. It is
very hard to see one out there.
So thank you very
much for your time and for sharing your experiences with us.
S.
C.: You’re welcome.
INTERVIEWER
BIOGRAPHY
Wellington Clay Porcino Silva
He
holds a PhD in Geography from the Federal University of Rio Grande do Norte and
a Master’s in Science and Geographic Information Systems from the Nova
University of Lisbon and in Military Sciences from the School for the
Improvement of Army Officers. He held a Post-Doctoral internship in Computer
Science at the Federal University of Ceará. He is a
Federal Police Chief. He has experience in the areas of Public Management, Data
Science and Artificial Intelligence, Formulation of Public Security Policies, Intelligence
and Law, with an emphasis on the use of Data Science in the Management of the
Judiciary Police. He is a professor responsible for the disciplines of Judicial
Police Management and criminal analysis at the Graduate Program in Police
Science at the National Police Academy and an external professor at the
Graduate Program in Geography at UFRN. He held several management positions
during his professional life, including Regional Superintendent of the Federal
Police in Roraima and Rio Grande do Norte and Director of the National
Secretariat of Public Security. He currently holds the position of Strategic
Management Coordinator for the Federal Police.
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